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I wonder if Bravo and Župarić are in similar situations. If the writing is on the proverbial wall, they still have pride and their future prospects to play for. I don't like the idea of a player phoning it in because they see no path to redemption but I understand it. It seems less likely that Crépeau could be a victim of this as well but I guess it's possible. I don't have any evidence to support this and I'm not even making an assertion or trying to resort to conjecture, but my question is whether Neville has essentially made them feel that they will never start for the Timbers again and if this impacts their performance.

Of these players, I'd be most confident in believing it of Bravo. I think Župarić will play for pride, maybe even spite, whenever he gets a chance. He's a professional on the pitch, even if he could use someone to manage his social media. Bravo might not have as much ego. He's also under contract for longer so, while he theoretically has more prospects with the club, he may also despair more if he feels stuck. This is mostly speculation but Morrisonic and maybe some others have floated the idea that Neville doesn't like Bravo. I think Bravo should be professional and give it his all regardless but I know it isn't that simple.

I can't as easily imagine what's going through Crépeau's head as there were fairly recent public assurances that he's our number 1, though he's clearly lost his spot to Pantemis. I don't have any reason to think he's quit on himself or the team. I wouldn't say that he isn't trying, despite being flatfooted too often. It really seems like he's in his own head with maybe whatever the goalkeeping equivalent of the yips is. We know he's been good before and plays with heart. I don't want to unfairly malign him. But it seems a necessity that we change up the keeper corps around Pantemis over the next two windows and maybe something about that is getting to Crépeau.

My larger observation about this is that Neville's bread and butter is being a vibes coach. Nobody has made an argument to convince me that he has any personal, direct, responsibility for any of our attacking success. Dave Van den Bergh has been explicitly, publicly, acknowledged and praised for his work with attacking players and the planning in general. I have heard through reliable backchannels that Neville doesn't micromanage the attack (this is a polite way of saying he just believes in putting the best players on the field and letting them figure it out) but I haven't attended practices or anything. At any rate, its apparent that Dave has a large hand in the attack.

In fairness, I also must concede that I don't have enough information to entirely blame Neville for our defensive struggles. To my knowledge, nobody has been credited with any specific defensive work, so the default assumption is that it's on Ridgy. We haven't been hurt as much on set piece defense so far this season but I admit that I haven't been making a point of tracking our marking strategy, even though that was one of my main complaints in the past. So I don't know if we're just facing fewer and weaker set piece threats, some combo of Fory, Pantemis, and Surman are making the difference somehow, if we have changed our strategy, or some combination. My sense is that having new players with certain characteristics and tendencies has helped paper over some of the holes, which means those players, Ned, and the scouts get credit for identifying problems and resultant solutions. I've also observed that some of the players that Neville brought in don't fit a high line, build from the back, system. Kamal and the keepers don't have the speed or dribbling skills. This is also reinforced by Neville's dismissal of criticisms related to some of these underlying problems (e.g. progression through midfield, expected goals, etc.). I wish I could remember or cite instances of his responding to any observations about the high line, resisting a high press, or some other things. If I were a journalist I'd try to keep track of such things. I could never find it again but there was a video from training where red flags were raised for me by Neville talking, admittedly out of context, about how he wanted field players to defend in a way that is consistent with problems we've seen with respect to pressure on the ball. So, I can infer that some of our poor whole-team defensive habits are a product of his instructions but I can't find the evidence to support that.

I'll also allow that it would make a lot of sense to credit Neville with Mosquera's improved defensive performances, as Neville was an exceptional player at the same position. One caveat is that I don't know how good Neville was as an attacking fullback. Another is that I feel like Mosquera's relatively poor defending has been more an issue of "mentality" than lack of skill or technique. Mosquera's involvement in attack and tracking back to defend have to be coordinated, especially with Fory across the pitch, Surman, and whoever is on the right wing. Maybe Mosquera has improved his awareness. Maybe communication has been better. Perhaps it's improved chemistry. Probably a little bit of all of those things. I want to credit Neville with that but also have no specific evidence to support that at my fingertips.

I will hold Neville responsible for our stubbornly implementing a high line even when we don't have the players for it and/or the opponent is especially dangerous against that approach. Ridgy and Župarić both have histories as players of butting heads with coaches specifically when a high line isn't a winning strategy. Both got benched for stretches when their on-field play and/or public comments called out when the high line wasn't working. So I think they'd tell Phil if they thought he was wrong, leading me to believe that he's overruling them. His own public comments underscore this tendency as well. He publicly praises players for positive performances (apologies for the unintended alliteration) and throws shade when things are bad. Even when he says he made a mistake, it's always that he made a mistake letting players play, not that he borked the fundamentals. I worry that relying on vibes while being careless about such things isn't a recipe for long-term success. On the other hand, I sure see a lot of joy from many players and don't hear inklings of any general locker room malaise, only specific players (all defenders at this point, unsurprisingly) being frustrated. That is consistent with the overall pattern though.

At the end of it all, there's documentation to support Dave as a good tactical/strategic coach, both one-on-one working with players and with respect to a systems approach to attacking. With Neville, there's public comments vs. the eyeball test on the field. With Ridgy and anyone else? Nothing that I know of. So I worry that the way Neville handles vibes might be especially problematic with some players, with Bravo and Župarić being the most obvious examples but Crépeau, McGraw, and maybe others under consideration as well. Moreno seems happier now than he has been in the past. I don't remember ever hearing anything bad about Mosquera's attitude, even if he deserved criticism at some points. I'd understand if Paredes had some complicated feelings these days but also haven't heard anything one way or the other. Relying so much on vibes, then getting the vibes part wrong sometimes, could be a problem.

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Michael Bales's avatar

How San Jose played was no mystery. It's their style under Arena. What is baffling, however, is that the Timbers weren't prepared — or worse — able to deal with it. Same can be said of the last two Vancouver matches. Maybe this match was the proverbial wake-up call, and a fun competitive season can start again against KC.

Also baffling is Crepeau's performance continuing to crumble. Unless Pants picks up a long-term injury, Crepeau won't get a chance to straighten out things. Will the Timbers try to unload him and his big salary this summer? Will they be able to given his now-glaring liabilities?

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